The Aftermarket Luggage FAQ
compiled & edited by Kristian #562
Updated by Nick #1085
Major updates by mspeed #1023; editting by Scott, ID #1244
(See the GS Aftermarket Luggage FAQ for Opinions on Luggage/Sidecases/TopBoxes/racks & TankBags for the GS/Dakar)
Please read the Disclaimer before attempting any work in this FAQ.
For Photos of GS Aftermarket Luggage (TopBoxes/TankBags/SideCases/Racks/TailBags) ON the GS/Dakar click the Link for the GS Gallery. Some of these will of course also fit the Classic.!
Opinions on Aftermarket Luggage (TopBoxes/TankBags/SideCases/Racks/TailBags) for Both Classic &GS/Dakar.
Bagster Tank Cover
by
Flash #412
I would advise getting the bigger ones as
these are rather small. I wish I had the bigger ones so I could put the
backpack I used to bring to work. Now I use one as a briefcase and the other
for oil, tools, etc.

Doug#1206
I have the large bags they stick out wide but are very handy on long trips.
Ted
Mal#1011
Here is a pdf of the
Installation
Instructions. (In German, but the pics are
good.)
And thanks to Nelson Oliveira (a.k.a. Sojourner) here is the English translation.
Five Stars Rack & Kappa Luggage
by Omnikron via.
Riderhaus
Omnikron's 1997 BMW F650 - Five Star Rack and Kappa K40 Pannier with OEM BMW topcase setup
Omnikron's 1997 BMW F650 - Five Star Rack and Kappa K40 Pannier with OEM BMW topcase setup
A rear view of Omnikron's 1997 BMW F650 - Five Star Rack and Kappa K40 Pannier with OEM BMW topcase setup. Note the racks maintain a symmetrical appearance even with the high exhaust.
The Kappa K40 sidecase. The gloss black panel is interchangeable with other colored panels to match your motorcycle.
The Kappa's have the three-point mounting system as Givi Monokey cases.
Here is what the completed Mounts look like.
The Right Mount is bolted in next to the seat lock as shown next, where the canister bolted to before.
You have to remove the canister to install the side rack. There is a short guide on how to remove the canister with the last image.
For the Final touches, a word of caution. Do not over tighten the mushroom shaped nut that the bags slide into. They are easy to crack and there are no chances that you'll find one in a store.
If you do happen to break one, use the same screw provided and stack a bunch of washers on it until its the same length as the others and it should work fine.
And there is where the left mount bolts, next to the muffler. This side should be a breeze to put together.
The Mounting points are the same for both sides, here they are shown below. You use a wrench and ratchet for all of these.
And you have to take the nut off that holds the footpeg in place to attach the rack mount, then put it back on and tighten.
REMOVING THE CANISTER: The hose on the right side of the gas tank under the tank cover that runs all the way back to the canister is the vent hose. This vent hose connects to the interior of the gas tank thru a series of check valves contained inside the filler cap. The other end of this vent hose runs to the charcoal canister at it's center rear fitting. The front (lower) fitting on the canister goes to a drain hose which ends by the right footpeg.
You take the little hose from the carb and plug it or take it off the carb port and plug the (rear) port on the carb. Ya, don't mess with the front carb port.
You take the long hose from the tank to the canister and reroute it to the place where the hose that used to go from the canister to the footpeg went. I used a small cheap gas filter to connect the two hoses together. Because this hose is just a 'breather' hose for the gas tank, chances are it won't suck up any dirt from the ground, but being so close to the ground (footpeg area), I thought it best to add this filter just in case. I would suggest going here for a more detailed textual description of what to do. Which is where I got some of the info on this page.
GIVI Panniers & Topcase
Pair of E360 bags and an E45 Topcase. Flash #412
Jesse Luggage
Jesse's Website

The Jesse bags have two points where you use a small ratchet-type level to lock a conical-shaped metal bit into a receptacle in the rack itself. It would be difficult but not impossible to dislodge one. The locking mechanisms aren't that sturdy and a determined 12-year old could lever up the handles even if locked. If security is that much of a concern, I'd add a hasp-type mechanism and locks. Cheers - Gerry #951 (Phoenix AZ)
More Jesse angles
Pelican Cases
Martin 1201
Pelican Top Box Solution
WillK
For description see
Opinions section below.
Tail Rack too Small?
Steve Johnson #F650001
5/24/99
The stock tail rack is just too small and just too plastic for some owners. Here someone has made a steel rack with a backrest. He plans a new version which will be at the same height and slant as Jesse panniers - thus creating a huge flat area for packing all your gear.
BMW F650GS
Side Cases: Instructions and Installation
Side Case Instruction Booklet – Thanks to
Haakon Aas for scanning:
Pages 1 through 5: pictures and German text. You need these even if you don't
read German because the English text which follows does not have the diagrams.
Page 1,
Page 2,
Page 3,
Page 3a,
Page 4,
Page 5
Pages 6 through 10: English text, without pictures.
Page 6,
Page 7,
Page 8,
Page 9,
Page 10
A small note as to the mounting and "Adjusting the
mushroom-type retainer" in Section 5 of booklet:
When I was about to adjust my "mushroom-type retainer" I just could not do it.
The case fitting piece that goes over the mushroom touched the side panel before
I had the desired tightness. I did not know what to do so I just had a
sloppy-fitted side case. Not properly resting on the bottom rail, but hanging on
the mushroom thingy. After my first small crash I discovered the frame lug (where the mushroom-type
retainer is fitted) was bent upwards. I bent it down by brute force and could
then adjust my case properly. Haakon
Side Case Bracket Installation Booklet – Again,
thanks to Haakon Aas for scanning:
As with the Instruction Booklet above, you need all the pages because the
pictures are with the German text.
Page 1,
Page 2,
Page 3,
Page 4,
Page 5,
Page 6,
Page 7,
Page 8
BestRest F650GS CargoRest: Installation Instructions
Thanks to Wayne #1314, McGuireV10 and zdkayaker
Have a look at both versions. The pictures are easier to follow in the colour version, but the black and white version has the parts list and a helpful addendum.
CargoRest Instructions in colour, CargoRest Instructions in black and white.
For pictures and description of CargoRest installed with a BestRest BackRest see The GS Aftermarket Luggage FAQ.
Jesse Bags for Classic F650: Installation Instructions
Thanks to Marty #435 and with Al Jesse's kind permission, here are the scanned instructions:
Parts List, Page 1, Page 2, Page 3, Page 4,
Pelican Cases as Panniers and Removable Top Box for F650GS
by Greg (CessPool)
Mounting a Pelican 1500 case as a removable top box
The case was mounted on a Happy Trails tail rack. In case
you aren't familiar with the HT rack, it is build like a brick sh#t house...
err, I mean it's really solid. I got the Pelican case from
All-Pelican-Cases-4-Less.com.
The case looks a lot larger in the pictures than it does in person.
Rear view of box with lid closed.
As you can see from the photos, I've got some reflective adhesive strips on the
box back and sides. I just had some spare stuff laying around and decided to use
the pieces available to make the case more visible at night. Turns out it worked
fine.
Inside view of case with mounting hardware.
The mounting hardware consists of a couple of metric bolts with press fit knobs
from the local hardware store that match the embedded threaded inserts on the HT
tail rack. There is also a wide washer underneath the knobs between the knob and
case. I really crank these knobs down when the top case is mounted and so far it
hasn't come loose while riding. I like the option of being able to remove the
case when I need to... but come to think of it, I haven't had the need to yet.
Bottom view of case mounted on rack with small spacing washers.
This picture shows a couple of rubber-backed washers that take up the space
between the rack and the case. The rubber backing on the washers has a two-fold
purpose. It holds the bolts captive in place on the case after removing it and
takes up the small space between the case bottom and the rack. The case has some
small extrusions on the bottom that hold the case up off the rack by about
1/16".
Right side view of case with lid open.
Left side view of case with lid open.
Rear view of case with lid open.
View from front with case lid closed.
Notice the tie-down loops on the top of the case. I went to the local hardware
store and got the most heavy-duty drawer pulls I could find, and mounted them
with a washer on both the outside and inside of the case. I also used blue
Loctite to hold the screws in place, so they wouldn't loosen while riding.
From Ike #647:
I have used similar cases, and Pelicans, for many years and have two
suggestions.
1: Put some of that reflective tape inside of the lid in case you are stopped at
night with the lid open/up.
2: Stick a piece of wide masking tape inside of the lid so that oil changes, etc.
can be easily recorded on it. I also record on the tape certain telephone
numbers inside of my bags and usually keep a spare key there also.
Mounting Pelican 1550 cases as panniers
I mounted a set of Pelican 1550 cases on my F60GS as a lower-cost alternative to
aluminum panniers. As with the case for the Top Box above, I acquired them from
the online dealer, All-Pelican-Cases-4-Less.com. The cost for the pair of cases
was about $200 and that includes the shipping charges.
Happy Trail side rack.
The cases are mounted on a
Happy Trails side rack, which is one solid piece of equipment. I also used
the
Happy Trails pannier mounting kit, which consists
of a set of "L" brackets fashioned from some sort of synthetic material, as well
as all the hardware necessary to mount the brackets and a pair of large knurled
knobs which allow the cases to be easily removed from the rack. The width of the
mounted cases is 38" from edge to edge. I tried weighing the cases on my
bathroom scale, but it's one of those digital ones and it failed to trigger.
According to the web site where I ordered the cases, they're about 13-1/2 lbs
each.
Cardboard template.
Case with cardboard template.
I constructed a cardboard template to fit the back side of the Pelican case and
used it to locate all of the mounting holes to be drilled on the case.
Back side of the Pelican case before modifications.
Note the extrusions which run vertically up & down the
case. When the case is mounted on the rack, these extrusions hold the case away
from the rack and prevent it from sitting flush. Rather than put spacers between
the "L" brackets and the case, I elected to remove the extrusions.
Back side of the case with the extrusions partially removed.
Yeah, I know, I shouldn't use a wood chisel with a ball
peen hammer and I should be ashamed of having such
rusty chisels...
Case back with the bottom "L" bracket mounted and the extrusion removal
completed.
I used blue Loctite on the bracket mounting screws so they
wouldn't vibrate loose under use.
Pelican case interior detail when mounted on the bike.
Rear view from below with cases mounted.
Rear view from above with cases mounted.
The rear views of the completed installation show how the cases are mounted
flush with the side rack and how wide the setup is while on the bike.
I've got a few more things to do before I'll consider the installation complete.
I'd like to mount some footman loops on the tops of the cases so I can lash
luggage on the top of the racks. I need to put some black reflective tape on the
front, side and rear portions of the cases. This reflective tape is almost
invisible during the day but makes you really stand out at night. Thanks for the
idea from inmate member Ike in Georgia. I'll also be putting an 8x11 sheet of
this reflective stuff on the inside lid of the top case, so that when I'm
stopped by the side of the road with the top case open, I'll even be able to be
seen by the blind... I also need to install a piece of wire or rope connecting
the lid to the case so when the case is opened the lid doesn't immediately fall
to the ground and spill the contents of the case.
So far I like the whole setup of using Pelican cases as panniers. They're
inexpensive, virtually indestructible when you drop the bike, and very dust and
waterproof. On the downside, they're a little heavier (I think) than aluminum
panniers and open from the side rather than the top. I'll be using the h*ll out
of them this summer...
I got the Pelican locks as well and they work great. I was going to get some
locks at our local hardware store but the Pelican locks were cheaper than the
equivalent locks I found locally.
I also considered the 1520 cases but wanted the extra room of the larger cases
for a trip to Alaska. The 1520's would work and look great and provide more
clearance too.
I took out the bike and rode it hard in the Colorado mountains and didn't touch
the bags down once! I did reduce the size of the sidestand though. I also had
the bike up to 100mph on the interstate and didn't notice the bags at all.
Pelican Cases on Moto-Sport Pannier Brackets for F650GS
by cb_abq #1534
I have installed the Moto-Sport pannier mounting brackets and pucks and Pelican
1550's and I must say, I am pleased with the finished appearance. (Pics
in The GS Aftermarket Luggage FAQ.) By the way, the whole set-up was $373, not
bad for ~4000 sq. in.
I noticed that the brackets are wider than the flat area of the bottom of the
case, and originally I was going to stand-off the pucks and bottom bracket by ~¼
in. I saw where CessPool removed the extrusions, and I did not want to modify
the cases in that manner. But then I decided that it was only necessary to shave
off 1" of the extrusion in four places on each case to accommodate the brackets.
This was preferable to cutting billet aluminum to stand off the hardware, which
wouldn't have worked due to the length of the bosses on the pucks anyway. It
also proved to be more difficult than I thought to position the pucks due to my
own competence level and in part to the position of the boss; it is offset at a
45 degree angle with respect to the tab, rather than at 90 or 180 degrees. I am
concerned that the pucks lay on or near the muffler heat shield. (I know, that's
what they're for.) I don't know if the cases will drag. The lowest point is
about 19 or 20 in. off the deck.
One thing that concerns me is that the Moto-Sport brackets sound like they have
some residual material from cutting and welding the supports (rattle, rattle,
rattle) inside the tubes.
Greg #1245 commented: On the Yukon's and other M-S panniers, the pucks are
rotated 45° so that they fit exactly in the corners of the bracket (visualize
having the pucks as far apart as possible and rotating them 45° clockwise and
counter clockwise). This prevents the panniers from moving forward/backward
without relying on really tightening down on the pucks.
cb_abq replied: That makes sense now that I read it. I put them all the way to
the edges, I just didn't turn them into the corners, but I should have. I left
some slop to the inside so I could a) add some rubber strips to the bottom
brackets and b) if I erred the other way they wouldn't go on.
Mounting Pelican Cases
to Givi Saddlebag Loops
by Flash #412
Givi makes some great products. I have a set of E360 saddlebags and an E45 top
box. I’m VERY happy with them. They have one drawback… because of the way the
single lock works, you cannot take them on an airplane. If you lock them, the
TSA will destroy the latch to open them. If you don’t lock them, there is
nothing to hold them closed.
I wanted a set of saddlebags that I could take on an airplane. These bags needed
to latch securely without locks. Yet I needed to be able to lock them to the
bike and lock them closed when they were on the bike. From the variety of
plastic cases out there, I selected Pelican Cases.
Pelican Cases cost significantly less than bags from motorcycle companies and
are significantly sturdier. Pelican Cases come with an unconditional lifetime
warranty, with the exception of sharks, bears and children under five. That’s
what they write. What Pelican will tell you on the phone if you ask, is that
drilling holes in them voids the warranty. I figure that since they cost less
than $100 each, I can buy three before I have bought one bag from BMW. BMW bags
are made of crap plastic and will explode like a firecracker if you drop the
bike on one of them. Pelican Cases are STRONG.
For a variety of reasons, I picked the 1550. (Click on thumbnails to open large
pictures in new windows.) When mounted as saddlebags, they open from the side.
Since have a tank bag and a top case, I don’t open my bags very often when they
are attached to the bike. So I prefer these. The 1650 has more volume with very
little addition to the dimensions. I think if I was going to do it again, I’d
get the 1650’s. I picked the International Orange color for several reasons.
First, they are EXTREMELY visible. This might keep someone in a car from
broadsiding me. (Probably not.) Second, they are EXTREMELY visible; this makes
them unattractive to thieves. “Did you see a guy go by here with a black
suitcase?” just doesn’t cut it. Finally, I ride a BMW F650, the only BMW
motorcycle with a chain drive. The international club for the F650 is called The
Chain Gang. Members are called “inmates.” And the club’s color is jailhouse
orange. I bought a pair of Pelican 1550 cases and a set of Givi bag loops. I
think the whole mess cost me right at $300 new.
Then I bought a few eyebolts and some washers. I also got a length of
appropriately-sized C-channel aluminum. I cut the C-channel so that the pieces
would fit in the space between the “tits” that the regular Givi bags use to
attach to the loops. Then I drilled three holes in each piece, straight through
the opposite sides of the “C”. I drilled one set of holes over-size so that I
could get a bit through it to countersink the inside of the opposite holes. My
plan was to use 6 mm flat head cap screws to attach the rails to the bags. On
the inside of the bags, for each bolt, I used a large fender washer followed by
a quarter inch rubber-backed washer, followed by a NyLoc (nylon-insert locking)
nut. This would not only attach the rail to the bag, but prevent any leaking.
Plus, the outer surface of NyLoc nuts is rounded, which theory says will be less
“offensive” to whatever rubs up against it inside the bag as we rattle down the
highway.
I also bought some short eyebolts. My original idea was to attach two eyebolts
to each bag so that one would be above the top rail of the loop and the other
below the top rail. I figured that a long-shackle padlock would catch both bolts
and secure the bag to the bike.
After some eyeballing and allowing as how, I realized that I needed to remove
some hardware from the bag loops. Since I didn’t want to lose the hardware, I
just turned it around backwards. When moving the “tits” on the bottom rail to
the other side, I used screws that were longer than the originals. After tapping
the through holes, I re-installed the tits on the other side using longer bolts
with jam nuts.
Similarly, the latch piece required some different bolts. I used flat head cap
screws for their lower profile. But I realized that by milling a slot in each
stock Givi latch piece, I could mount a bag to the bike and lock it with just
one padlock. This involved bending some special rods. My fallback plan, if that
didn’t work out, was to have three locks per bag, one for each latch and one to
secure it to the bike.
After getting the loops worked out, it was time to decide how the bags should be
positioned. I held them parallel to the loops and they seemed canted too far
forward. I held them parallel to the ground and they seemed too flat against the
lines of the bike. So in the end, I split the difference. This meant that the
two bags would not be strictly interchangeable. So I put a piece of red
electrical tape on one handle and a piece of black on the other. It’s just as
well. When you are in a hotel and open one bag, if they’re not marked, Murphy
says you’re going to open the wrong one first. I also stuck a return mailing
label on each bag and covered it with clear packing tape, just in case I lost
it.
Another part of putting the bags on the airplane is carrying the mounting loops.
I accomplished this by cutting off the lower leg that shares the buddy peg bolt.
Then, both loops and all of the mounting hardware would easily fit inside one
bag. A piece of pipe, cross-drilled for 4 mm bolts, made reattaching the
amputated legs trivial. While the reattached legs were a bit wobbly before
mounting the loops to the bike, once mounted, they were solid as a rock. One
other item worth mentioning is the tie down inside the bag in the photo.
I picked up some of the tie downs that BMW uses to secure new bikes inside
shipping crates for free from my local dealer. Rather than make some sort of
cross-brace at the bottom rear of the bag loops, I simply loop the tie down
across the seat and through the handles of the cases. They’re held very securely
to the bike and the strap takes some of the “bending weight” off the bag loops.
All of the attachment hardware easily fits in one bag with plenty of room left
over for other goodies.
Pelican sells accessories for their cases. They don’t sell anything to go inside
the lid of the 1550, so I bought a pair of inserts for the 1400 series. They
attach with sticky-back Velcro, so they work just fine. The one pictured is the
“photo” insert. I also got a “document” insert for the other bag. These are not
very expensive and certainly add utility. (What’s pictured is not what I had
there while I was actually using the bag.)
Here is a photo from the back, of the bag attached to the loop using a “special
rod” that I made.
Here is a photo from the outside, of the bag attached to the loop using a
“special rod” that I made.
Here is a photo from the back, of the bag attached to the loop using a
long-shackle padlock. I bought six keyed alike padlocks at Home Depot for about
US$20.
Here is a photo from the top, of the bag attached to the loop using a
long-shackle padlock.
The first trip I took with the bags was a weekend shakedown cruise of about 2000
miles round trip from Colorado to Arkansas and back. They performed flawlessly.
The next trip I took with the bags was 20,000 miles round trip on Lufthansa
(Denver to Frankfurt to Johannesburg and back) plus about 4500 miles on the
ground in Southern Africa. Again, the system performed flawlessly.
Here’s a shot of the bags mounted on the loaner bike I borrowed in Johannesburg
as I’m getting ready to head out for some adventure.
Here’s a shot of the bags, still on the bike almost 4000 miles into my African
Adventure, outside of the highest pub on the continent, in Sani Top, Lesotho. (Sani
Pass between South Africa and Lesotho is without a doubt the worst excuse for a
road I have ever encountered. Woo HOO!)
$35 Pelican Top Box
By Motoplaner
I wanted something to just carry some essentials (mainly tools, air compressor)
for off-road where hard side cases would be likely scraped off/destroyed.
Ordered a Pelican 1300 for $35. Didn’t want anything too big, and there was a
substantial price jump beyond this size. For long distance/camping I’ll mount
the 20” top plate and side bags to the Jesse mounts. Went to Ace and got some
stainless hardware, bolts, Nylocks, fender washers and neoprene washers for
vibration damping and waterproofing (I’m going to take it on and off) —$5.00
(got a bunch of extras too).
Saw that the “feet” of the Pelican about perfectly mated/recessed into the Jesse
rear rack slots (one could just grind these off and mount it any old ways).
The modified feet set right into those slots and it doesn‘t move 1/64“
any which way but up (before bolting down). I plan on removing the handle soon,
as it’s just additional weight/shrapnel. And what do people do to a handle? Yerk
on it as hard as they can, is what.
Four feet/posts angle-cut to mate with angled slots.
Mounted view from below.
The bare essentials: air compressor, beer and big Vise-Grip (for scale).
Different views.
I'll probably add some reflectors and such. Anyway, that’s how I spent $40.
That's a Jesse rear rack. Jesse offers top boxes that are quite heavy and
expensive. I bought the big plate (bolts on to the top of the rear rack) to
strap my kitchen sink to. To have a Jesse rear rack you have to have Jesse side
bag mounts too. $. If a guy had a Happy Trails or some such rear rack (a more
stand-alone system), it'd be a simple deal (with the right size Pelican) to bolt
one on.
Touratech Racks - Installation
Guide
Scott (TX) #678
14-Jan-02
I installed the 35L and 41L rack/box assembly on my '99F. I wrote an
installation guide for them that I believe they are using.
1999 F650 Touratech™ Aluminum Side Case Installation Guide
PARTS LISTING
| Qty | Item | Location |
| 1 |
Left hand luggage rack |
Left side of motorcycle |
| 1 |
Right hand luggage rack |
Right side of motorcycle |
| 1 |
Union bow |
Connects rear of two side frames |
| 2 |
Hexagon bolts M6x25 |
R & L luggage rack bridge |
| 2 |
Hexagon bolts M6x16 |
R & L union bow connections |
| 4 |
Washers, M6 |
Union bow connections (2) Luggage rack bridge (2) |
| 2 |
Self locking nuts M6 |
Union bow connections |
| 2 |
Hexagon bolts M8x20 |
R & L Rear luggage rack to frame |
| 2 |
Hexagon bolts M8x30 |
Right foot peg bracket assembly |
| 7 |
Washers for M8 |
R & L Rear luggage rack to frame (4), foot peg space (3) |
| 2 |
Self locking nuts M8 |
R & L Rear luggage rack to frame |
RIGHT SIDE INSTALLATION: (the most difficult side)
LEFT SIDE INSTALLATION: (the easy side)
UNION BOW INSTALLATION: (almost done…)
FINAL STEPS
NOTES:
If you have any questions or problems, contact
Domanic at Cyco-Active. Tell him I sent you his way and he should take care of
you. Their information is:
-800-491-2926 (=491-CYCO)
CycoActive, inc
701 34th Ave.
Seattle, WA 98122 USA
http://cycoactive.com/
Touratech Installation Notes 2
by NormJ #473 Seattle
Here are some notes about my experience installing the Touratech racks and
aluminium panniers on a '99 Classic.
I followed the very good directions per the FAQ, but there were a few "oddities"
that I believe should be entered onto the board here so they will pop-up when
one searches the archives.
The left side was actually harder than the right. it's possible my rack was slightly wobbled or warped. basically, I had to loosen the left passenger peg almost all the way, (in addition to the instructions in FAQ) and slowly tighten everything up to spread out some of the slack in the system. the rear most bolt did not want to tighten for me, no matter what. It is a complete punk about letting you get a wrench and/or an Allen key on it. it's still not "tight", but is on as good as I could get it.
When mounting the left pannier for the first time, I discovered that (on my bike) there is not enough clearance to turn the steel L-brace that actually holds the pannier down. the corners of the brace bump up against the aluminium heat protector on the pipe. Easily fixed by simply bench-grinding the corners off the end that has the shaft meeting it. clears fine now.
On the right side, the plastic body panel would not install without shaving off some plastic, basically below the excess coolant tank. Then, I discovered that the front L-brace for the pannier needed about a 1/2" of the plastic to be gone in order to mount. The method that I used worked great and left a nice clean edge:
Cut straight into the plastic with a razor blade (careful!) the depth you think you need, the width you think you need.
Score the plastic on the back with the razor blade between the two cuts (3 or 4 swipes in the same groove).
Then work harden the plastic back and forth until it snaps.
I dressed up the edge with a really sharp chisel to make it look better and smooth the edge.
All in all I am super-stoked about the Touratech bags, and they carry all I need.
Touratech Installation Notes
3
from scx
For an alternative mounting method try http://www.touratech-usa.com/instl/pannier_instr.html
Touratech Zega Case Installation
on F650GS
by Dave #1513
I suspect most here know this part, but as way of introduction: Touratech is a German company that makes lots of cool after-market accessories for "enduro" style bikes. They concentrate on BMWs, but produce bits for other makes as well. The Zega bag is basically a big aluminum box that mounts to a tubular steel rack. The US distributor for TT products is CycoActive, located in Seattle.
Luggage can be a religious issue for some; I believe that Zegas are the best luggage you can buy. (Jesse/Givi/Happy Trails owners would disagree, of course.) Their advantages (to me) include: They're square, so they're easy to pack. The lids remove. The lids include strap points to tie down a dry bag. They easily come off the bike, but when attached properly are very secure. They're waterproof. They're durable. They hold a lot. They look cool. Hey, if they're good enough for Helge Pederson, they're probably good enough for me. (No, I don't work for Touratech.)
I got the pre-mounted 35 liter (each) boxes. Pre-mounted means that the "pucks" that hold the boxes to the rack are pre-mounted, so I didn't have to position them and drill the bolt holes. I understand that the puck-mounting process is the most pain for any Zega install, and the part where you're most likely to make a multi-hundred dollar mistake and ruin a box. Unless you have some special need to position the boxes in an odd location, you should probably get the pre-mounted kit.
What you get from Touratech is a great big cardboard box. Inside the box are the Zegas, the rack pieces (left, right, and two rear sections), the mounting hardware and instructions. The instruction sheet is in German, so unless you're fluent in that language, the first step is to go to the Touratech web site and download the English language instruction sheet (977K PDF). The mounting instructions do a good job of explaining how everything goes together.
The installation itself was a breeze. It took (maybe) an hour, and that included a test mounting, then I took everything off and cleaned the threaded parts, then re-installed with Loctite.
The rack mounts to three points: The passenger foot-peg brackets, the threaded mounting points under the pop-off cover on the exhaust shroud plastic, and the threaded mounting points under the tail light. (I'm assuming these provided mount points are also used by the BMW luggage rack.) There is also a second cross brace that goes below the license plate to tie the two sides together.
The passenger foot-peg bracket mounting uses a split bolt design, very similar to a bicycle handlebar stem if you're familiar with that. This goes into the back side of the foot-peg bracket (which is open), then as you tighten it, it will expand and lock into place. Fairly clever, since it means you don't have to remove anything to mount the rack. (In comparison, on the R1150GS you not only have to remove the foot-pegs, you also have to replace the stock turn signals.)
I haven't dropped my F650GS (yet), but I'm confident that the bags will hold up to some fairly major impacts. The Zegas on my previous R1150GS survived a number of drops, and that bike weighed significantly more.
The main downside to Zegas on a F650GS (or any bike with high exhausts) is that the rack stand-off from the exhaust makes for a wide load, right at 38.5". (If you chose to get the 41 liter bags, add another 3" to the overall width.) The handlebars (with bar-end weights) are only 36" wide, so these may not be the best choice for someone who wants to lane split.
You can see lots more pictures (and a repeat of some of this text) from the install on my website. Dave #1513
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20 MM AMMO CAN PANNIERS for the F650
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by Mike#789
For those who have asked if this is possible, I used the BMW pannier rails and some hardware at home depot. the whole thing cost me about 50 - 60 bucks. I want to put a cross member in the rear, since the cans bounce a little when loaded up. They are heavy though, about 20lbs each, but waterproof and extremely strong. The cross member should reduce the bounce when I install it. I would not recommend them for off road use because of the weight, but I have done 5-6 hour trips at highway speeds, twisties and around town no problem.
Ammo Can Sources:
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Very
Inexpensive Mounts and Bags
by Doug #1206
I just bought some of the GIVI bag mounts on eBay very cheap (less than $70.00) The part number says they are for up to 96 models only but they bolted on to my 99 model with no problems at all. Bought some plastic pistol cases for only $30.00 each at Galyans. Anyway, the whole set-up cost less than $125.00 bags and mounts. Looks great as well. There are still several of the mounts listed on eBay (the seller informed me that he had several) and no one seems to bid on them because they don’t realize that the fit 97 - 99 models. To mount the bags I removed the GIVI bag connection points and put in longer bolts that would go into the bags. I then secured the bags with wing nuts and a metal and rubber washer. I can remove the bags from the bike in about 1 minute each. (I remove my items from the bags not the bags from the bike, as in all cruiser-type bags, Gold Wings, K-Bikes, etc.) These bags are about 25 litres in size. I know they may not be Jesse or BMW Bags, but for under $125.00 for new mounts and bags they are tough to beat. Oh, and the top box is a removable one I got at J.C. Whitney for $59.00. I know I'm probably a cheapskate...HA HA... Doscocil sells some bags about the size of the small Touratech Zega 35L that are completely waterproof for about $65.00 each if you need.
Opinions on Aftermarket Luggage
Tips for Tank Protection, from Tank Bag Wear
I love having a lockable, waterproof top case. I can store my stuff, including two full-face helmets and gloves, or 1 helmet, gloves and a jacket, and I don't have to worry about them being stolen or getting wet. I've never felt any noticeable difference between riding with or without my 50L GIVI Maxia. I also have a tank bag, but I never use it. Mark #403
A tank bag will have a less adverse affect on the bike's handling, as the weight is closer to the centre of the bike and you do not have the top case (which is located behind the rear wheel) to act as a lever that will input unwanted motion into the bike's steering when hit by a side wind. Also, a loaded top case takes valuable weight off of the front wheel, which makes the bike less secure when steering and at high speeds. However, a top case is very handy for carrying and locking items when shopping or touring. Your decision. What is more valuable to you, convenience or handling and a more stable ride? Richard #230
I agree with Richard out of experience. A top case is the worst place to put extra weight upon a bike, a tank bag is the best. Try the following: ride your bike at say 40km/h without a top case and induce a fake wobble by simply using your hands. When you stop shaking, the wobble should stop right away. Then load up your top case heavily and do the same thing, but be careful, the wobble might not stop! Many bikes, although having a very sturdy main frame, suffer from a weak rear frame. RakaD
The GIVI 50L top case is the only way to go. If you ride two up. The backrest on the top box gives great support, and as others have said you can lock helmets, riding gear, etc. I ride often in windy conditions and at high speed, and have had no problems at all. KiwiDakar
A top case is great. I suspect some of the responses haven't used a top case on a F650, as I haven't experienced any troubles, even with the high winds across the Tacoma Narrows bridge. Rather I find the case great for commuting with a heavy laptop case, and providing lockable storage for the helmet or valuables at stores. The top case (at least GIVI's) offers a backrest for the passenger, which is important to my spouse. Best thing is probably to try a bike with one before deciding. Northwet #1101
I hate top cases, they effect the cross-wind handling and make swinging your leg over the bike a real pain. Tank bags are less intrusive and are a requirement if you are having to read instructions or look at a map. The biggest pain is filling up (not a problem on the GS) but this is minor. The free top box that came with the bike is in the garage with gardening tools in it. Neither are used! Andy #982
I think it all depends on how you use your bike. If you do frequent rides around town, but don’t like to carry around your full-face (or lock it to the wheel, for great pleasure of city dogs) only a top case can help. On the other hand, if you are touring mostly, don’t put your map, toll-paying valet etc. into your top case, the tank bag is for you. A top case can be roomy and tempting to stuff it with heavy things. (beer...) But don't! Consider two side cases instead. They have their own limitations of course weight-wise, and also there will be some places you won’t fit anymore :-( I like my top case almost empty or at least almost weightless while I am riding, and use it for my helmet, gloves (and a comb). Your pick. JenO
It's actually not a good comparison. A tank bag will only hold small stuff. A top case will hold big stuff (and small stuff). I commute on my bike. I need to carry my lunch in a soft cooler, my cell phone, coffee thermos, etc. So for me a tank bag isn't an option for the daily commute. I do use it on trips, when I want to have a map case and a place to put smaller stuff. Get both. Mark #403
I'm with Mark. Get both. I use them both when travelling, but the top case is on the bike always. Just don't overload it. Security is better on the top case. And remember, there are panniers available that throw over the gas tank (Aerostich). Marty #436
A lot of BMW bags and cases are very expensive – however the BMW Tank Bag for the F650 is priced reasonably and fits very well (I have the '99 Classic F650). I like the top case, but I only carry lightweight things in it. The tank bag has a clear map holder, which I like and I can keep my sun glasses, cell phone, sun lotion, camera, where it is very handy. So I vote first for the tank bag. Dick #420
The BMW tank bag for the GS/Dakar is really easy to install. You can carry lot of things in there. And you can expand it. Some helmets fit in there. For camera, money, stereo system etc, tank bag works better. Top case is great too, to put helmet, rain suit, or clothes. And lock it. Best thing is to have both!! But if you can't, buy the tank bag first. Guz
General
Buy a child's backpack with a clear rear panel. Get some Fastex buckle sets at a sporting goods store. Rig the buckles up so you can hook the "bottom" of the straps to the handlebars. Run a bungee cord through where the shoulders normally go and hook the ends whereever convenient below the tank/seat juncture. You can do the whole project for about $15. Cheap enough? Flash #412
Aerostich Tank Panniers
I love mine! I have had them about 10 years and used them on many motorcycles. At the National Rally Randy showed me a new way to mount them so that they sat very far forward. This allowed more engine heat to escape before hitting my legs. Craig#325
They work well for me, however, over an Acerbis tank you essentially run out of length on the cross straps. I use plastic containers to assure waterproofness and maintain shape. A secondary advantage is that they shelter the knees on cold rides. Ike#647
Whenever my F was fully loaded (Jesse luggage and Dry bag on the passenger seat), I felt like the front end was too light. If I still had the F, I would probably have gotten the Tank Panniers to help put a bit more weight on the front while travelling. I've seen people at rallies with the tank panniers mounted, and they seem to work well. Josh #581
I've been happy with them on my F650GS. I have the larger of the two sizes available. In addition to providing extra storage, they provide some environmental protection for my legs, which is nice when it's cold or raining. Cary in Vancouver.
My brother has a set of Aerostich Panniers and I have a set of Wolfman ones. On our trip to Mexico last year, he seemed to think they exaggerated his fuel filter/Vapor lock/out of fuel with 2 gallons left problem (yes, canister removed and hoses routed properly). I have never experienced this, and I didn't notice my bike running hotter, but the Wolfman bags mounted a little higher and forward than the Aerostich one, blocking less of the hole by and opposite of the petcock, thereby limiting the airflow less. And yes, either brand works great. David#476
I have a set of the Aerostich tank panniers that have been through h*ll and back for about 10-12 years. I am SOLD on them, the company and the products they offer. I do have a Marsee tailpack and tankbag, well built for sure, but I do not think up to 'Stich standards. Langlois
I have a set of tank panniers from Aerostich I bought second hand. I've put some 8 thousand miles on the bike since and many miles with these bags and I like them lots. I’ve stuffed them very full many times. I say that Aerostich makes great stuff. I don't have the waterproof panniers I just put stuff I want to stay dry in some sort of waterproof bag or container. I have noticed when they get wet they sag a little though. Will in CA
Baglux Tank Bags
Baglux covers and tank bags work really well. I had one that fitted by first F650 and R1100R. Sold them with the bikes though and have never need a hugs tank bag since. They are not worth the price unless you are going for the really huge bags (40 litre plus) then the stability from the good fit is worth it. The tank harness is specific to each bike so the fit on the GS should be fine. Andy #963
The BMW is OK but the zips are a pain. Baglux are better but very expensive (they have clips on and off BTW). I have an Oxford magnetic on the R1100. The bag is good but I don't know how good the strap on version would be. Andy Leeds UK #982
Bagster Tank Bags
Bagster covers are great and fit neatly around the tank with a hole for the roundels. Bags are little bulky but nice too. There are overpriced in the U.S. but less so in Europe.” Jean #636
Bagster makes a tank cover. They come colour matched to all the stock colours. I just figured getting a WHITE cover was not too bright a thing for me to do. The Bagster cover is about a half inch too short to have its holes reach the screw holes when the Acerbis is mounted. But if you get some hooks of a certain type at the hardware store... it will mount just fine. You will not see the colour of the tank, only the black plastic strip. But... the cover has holes for the badges where the Acerbis has no badges. You could buy some badges. I chose to get some naugahyde and fill in the holes instead. I highly recommend the Bagster system, particularly if you get more than one size bag to use with it. Some Bagster bags include an integral rain cover. Some don't. There is a hole in the tank cover that works just fine with both the stock (flush) or Acerbis (outie) filler caps. Flash #412
I have the big Bagster bag and Bagster's small, flat bag. Both have a map pouch which are easy to use. The big bag is way too much for daily commute. The small flat bag carries my wallet, keys, phone, PDA and assorted papers easily. That said, it is not really a replacement for a briefcase or full satchel. Nate
The BMW tank bag sucks AND it's pricey. A plastic bag from the supermarket and some duct tape would work better. :-) Seriously, I've had four on different bikes and I like the F650 one the least because: Small zippers are hard to work, wear quickly, and following a fill up in the dark, are next to impossible to make. Not to mention, impossible to work with gloves on. (find one that snaps on and off with Fastex fasteners and has LARGE zippers with LARGE pulls) Odd shape makes it impossible to load a map that you want to a) see and b) ever use again. (Get one with a large rectangle map pocket that will hold a standard map with at least 2 sections visible.) Not counting the side pockets, which are the only things I like about the BMW bag, It is one single compartment. This necessitates a lot of loading and unloading while travelling. And more than once I've dropped something delicate, like my camera, while trying to find something small in the bottom, like my eyeglass case or my house keys. David #476
Well, maybe I'm the only one that likes his BMW bag. The one for the GS is
probably quite different than for the F. The GS gas fill is not under the bag so
no worries there.
BMW tank bag for the new
models:
Good
1) Rigid sides so it holds its shape well when empty.
2) Holds a spare face shield nicely without hardly taking any space from the
inside.
3) Very easy to get on and off. When it's off there are no straps left flapping
around.
4) Very good fit to the bike (but will still scratch the paint if dirt gets
under it).
Bad
1) Has a hand loop to carry it but you can't use it like a
back pack. Here the rigid shape is a negative.
2) Front connections use an elastic strap material. You should not leave it
hooked up all the time or they stretch out and the bag will move around on the
bike. Mine is still OK after 14,000 miles.
3) Map pocket is an odd size so maps need to be folded to fit.
4) Tall aft end hits you in the belly when you lean out over the front (when off
road riding).
5) Zipper is too fine and can jam or come apart if you are rough with it.
In my opinion, the BMW bag is good for on-road use but not very good for
off-road. I think the choice has a lot to do with what you use it for.
When I purchased there were not many other choices. Sounds like that has
changed. Shop and compare. Brad #1002
I have the BMW expandable bra type tank bag. Bought it second hand through the CG. I find the size perfect and even when expanded to full size you can see the dials etc. clearly. I would agree with Bill re. the small zips which attach the tank bag to the bra .... grrrr .... they can be very fiddly. Absolutely impossible with gloves on! It is annoying when you stop to fuel up and have to bugger about to unzip one side to expose the fuel cap. My tank bag holds my Autocom Pro M1, CD player, CD case amongst other stuff (like a hand towel which I need to put under the CD player to stop it jumping ... even with 40 second anti-shock it just can't cope with the F's vibrations!). As Bill mentioned the pockets in the bra are really handy for holding the likes of a torch ... or in my case, sunglasses and lipstick! Very pleased with my purchase ... only complaint is that I think, in general, strap on bags are ugly. When I get to work the whole thing comes off as I hate to look at the bike with the bra on. Nicola (UK) #1061
I also like my BMW tank bag. It's small when in small mode and large in the large mode. I like the little pockets on the bra to hold helmet visor cleaning stuff and spare rear bulb and a small flash light for when it's dark and I'm putting the bag on the bra. This is one of the down falls of the bag. The small zippers are hard to manage, take practice and are impossible in the dark. I have heard others complain of the small zippers not being durable enough. So far mine are ok. Wamer #1021
I got the BMW with my Dakar a year ago and, after 15,000 miles, one zipper developed a tight spot that it wouldn't pass.My dealer gave me a new bag under warranty. I love it. I use it daily. Gwhis#1000
I have the BMW bag and it works great. Deep and well made. And it fits like it was made for the bike. TomO
The BMW tank bag for the GS/Dakar comes with a bracket that is mounted to the two screws that hold the central plastic panel. In the back is a hook that wraps around the plastic, between the seat and central part of the fake tank. It is really easy to install. Guz
My BMW tankbag [for the GS] was floppy, i.e. a bit loose on the 'tank' (but still perfectly usable!) until I discovered that for over a year I hadn't clipped it correctly. The zip fastener end should be hooked under the steel rail under the front of the seat – not to the plastic (which seems the obvious place). I had experimented with the correct way when I first bought the tankbag but had convinced myself that it was incorrect as the two front fastenings required serious force to stretch to the clips. The bag is more stable now (either empty or full). Seems an ideal size and could probably be used off-road without getting in the way. PaulW
The Funduro bag zips to a tank cover that uses one metal hook at the rear of the tank, in front of the seat and two hooks that attach to the lower front fairing, one on either side, just above the black plastic engine side cover. I have been happy with my BMW Classic tank bag. But maps do not fit into the map pocket, without folding them in a way that they don't like to be folded. Richard #230
I just installed my BMW tank bag. In the front metal part, that is in front of tank, where the bag is attached with the two cords, I notice that my Dakar touches this metal part, when I steer to the right and left (more so to the right). Is this normal? Zippo
Mine does not touch on the left but is very close. On the right the upper triple clamp touches at full lock by about 1mm. Unless the triple clamp is pushing the bag bracket a lot I would not worry. The bracket is flexible and you don't turn the bike to full lock a lot. Have you tried loosening the screws and moving the bracket a little to see if that helps? You may also want to put a small piece of duct tape on the bracket on the side that is next to the plastic tank cover. The bracket will rub and wear the paint down over time. Brad #1002
Those sheet metal formings are not well formed. Just push them back to the form you want. They are just to keep the tension on the straps. By the way, look that the lower hook is in the proper location – on the black metal under the plastic, to keep good tension. To install it, remember first the zipper and then the front hooks. Guz
I had the BMW (for the classic) and didn't like it because the pocket for the map was way too small (otherwise it was very good). Last week I got myself a Touratech Enduro tank bag. I have only used it for half a day, so I can't really say if it's better or not yet. The fact that it comes in three pieces, so you can ride with the tank bag, the map holder or both, is a great thing. However it is a bit bigger than the BMW. If that will be a problem I'm not sure yet. As stated above it is a bit fiddly to attach. I got a lot of abrasions on the tank with the BMW, but I left it on for a month while driving off-road, so I can only blame myself. Spakur #1117
I've got a BMW tank bag for my F650 Funduro (Classic). Would be better to have one or two 'pockets' in it, otherwise everything is all over the place. I had to accept that if I use it as my only carrier when going to work nothing A4 fits in. Ever tried to use a Tuff Map? Don't know whether they are available in the US, but here in the UK they are and they are A5 size, just right for the map holder. Seems a good, solid bag to me. Martin
I have the BMW bag and like it. I like that it has stiff sides... It's like a car trunk to me. The only problem is it bounces around during rough off-road rides, especially if I stuff it with a jacket. I think I'll leave it behind on the next off road event and use the smaller rear top pack (also a BMW). Jim #1022
I have the BMW tank bag. Fits well, is expandable, has a waterproof cover for use when needed and it is holding up well. A bit spendy but worth it to me. Steve #1130
DriRider Backpack Tank Bags
I use a DriRider backpack as a tankbag on my 96 F. Multipurpose bag for on/off bike. I sewed Velcro to elastic bands (sewing centres supply) to secure bag to bike. Map case neatly slips under webbing of bag. Pin a 100% 'nappy' under bag to protect tank finish. Everything is black to match bike. Works for me.
Marsee Tank Bags
I have a Marsee 8 litre bag. It works great. The only problem with it is I had to replace the front quick release clips with D rings. When the handle bars are moved to full turn the pinched the clips (broke one the day after I got it). The D rings work great. A little harder to remove but not real difficult. Grt Wht
The best small tank bag. I have the Marsee Rocket Pocket and it works just fine on my '99 F. Expanded it holds a lot. But even in its compact form it's no slouch. Mine contains maps, owner's manual and tech manual, digital camera, earplugs, tire pressure gauge, bottle of Slime, portable tire pump, bandana, little squeegee thingies for my gloves, bottle of visor cleaner and rag, hat (for helmet head), and registration & insurance card. I tend to take it off and put it in my lockable top case when parked anywhere but my own garage. Bob#550
I've got to give Rex Marsee and Marsee products huge props! Get this, I call Marsee's 800 number looking for some help in outfitting my bike with tank and tail bags for an upcoming trip. Who answers the phone, none other than the owner himself, Rex Marsee. Rex is a very cool guy I must say – sincerely interested in his customer's needs. He didn't have a lot of time right then seeing as he was handling all the phones I think but asked the gist of what I needed and said would call me back on my mobile. I pretty much blew it off, not thinking I would get a call. I only knew him as Rex at the time – didn't know he was Rex MARSEE. Anyway got the call later that afternoon. "Hi, this is Rex Marsee". I called back the next day, turns out Rex went over to a BMW dealer with some of his products and double checked for me what fit the best. He asked me where I was going to buy what he had recommended – I said Irv Seaver in Orange, CA. When I showed up at Irv Seaver, get this, they were waiting for me as Rex had called ahead and let them know I was coming and to "take good care of me". Thanks Rex, you got a customer for life. I can't leave David Diaz out @ Irv Seaver, he is a class act. A true motorcycle enthusiast as well as a seasoned competitor in the sport, not to mention just a nice guy. Yesterday was great – from Rex Marsee to David @ Irv Seaver BMW in Orange, CA: these guys set the benchmark for customer service and care. If you need luggage, call Marsee Products @ (800) 293-2400. If you need a BMW dealer or parts call David Diaz @ Irv Seaver BMW: (714) 532-3700. Colbster CA
That is the kind of customer service story that I like to hear. I have been using Marsee luggage for years and still have a set of his blue leather overalls (when he was making leather clothing) that I have been using for close to 20 years now. I have found all of his products to be well designed and well made. Richard #230
I know Rex and have bought several items from him. When you go to his manufacturing facility and see how they produce these fine products you will be amazed. He is always ready to go the extra step to make it right. DaveB
I've had good results with Marsee products. Bonnie
The design of my 1997 F650 is such that the regular tank bags I use on my old R
models just don’t fit. Added to my tank bag problem is the addition of an
Acerbis tank with its protruding gas cap. With a little advice from Don Weber,
the Marsee tank bag solves the problem of where to put the “stuff” I’d like to
have right in front of me as I travel.
A piece of high density foam, the size and shape of the tank-bag base, with a
hole cut for the gas cap, and presto, I am a travelling man! The Marsee fits
just right and is of the proper size to allow lock-to-lock turning in the
parking lot without tank ba