compiled by Kristian #562
Edited and Updated by Winter
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28 December 2005
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Changing the oil in an F650 is something that most of us Chain Gang members can do ourselves. It saves a bit of money and gives us flexibility that sometimes dealers don't have, particularly during the riding season. I'm going to get up on my soapbox a bit before we get started:
by Harl #380, edited by Kristian #562
Things you'll have to have:
Things that are nice to have:
|Filter Service Kit (11 00 2 317 015)|
Service Kit 11 00 2 317 015 contains the Oil Filter, O-ring for Filter, both Crush Washers, and O-ring for the Dipstick. Note that the Classic and GS Oil Filters and Filter Cover O-rings are IDENTICAL however the GS Sump Plug Crush Washer is Copper and the Classic's is Aluminium.
|Universal Filter Kit|
When ordering an Oil Change Filter Kit, you may get a "Universal Filter Kit" that will work for several bike models, which is why the part numbers don't match the ones above and the reason for the extra washers/gaskets.
Then there are 3 copper washers, one of which I know is for the drain plug-the other two must be for other models. I have no idea which # is for the bigger Drain plug gasket, there are no sizes indicated on the part list.
(Thanks to Runaway #1259)
Read through the procedure to familiarize yourself with what you're doing. Some steps have descriptive text that may include explaining a "gotcha," like oil squirting out of places under pressure, etc.
Ride the bike for about 10 minutes.
This gets the oil warm and suspends all the engine's grime and crud (swarf as our Brit comrades call it) in the oil.
Put your bike on the
Centerstand and turn the front
wheel to full lock, left or right.
Note: Be careful when working around the exhaust pipe! It'll be hot for a few minutes. The oil will be hot and stay hot longer.
Remove the dipstick from the frame.
This equalizes the pressure in the oil system. It won't squirt out of the frame onto the floor and your tire or dribble out because the system is under vacuum.
Remove the skidplate.
There are four Allen head bolts, two on the front and two underneath, one angled off vertical.
Place your drain pan under the plug in the frame
You may want to fashion some sort device Frame Tank Oil Drain Funnel out of wire or tape to hold a funnel under the opening to direct the oil into your drain pan. Or hold a can close to the drain. This is where the Al Jesse "Thingy" can save you some clean up mess. Here's a Picture of it: Jesse F650 Oil-drain Gizmo. Looks pretty simple to make your own.
Remove the plug from the frame reservoir. This plug is located below the radiator and above the exhaust bend. See the photo and exhaust pipe warning above.
Allow the oil to drain into your pan.
Replace the plug in the frame, using a new crush washer if needed.
Torque to 10 NM.
Wipe the oil off the exhaust pipe.
Not absolutely necessary, but it smokes a lot when burned and gunks up the pipe.
Put your drain pan under the sump.
Remove the sump plug from the engine. (Note this one has a tie-wire, yours may not).
Wipe off any metal bits from the magnet on the plug.
There shouldn't be a lot of bits and they should all be pretty small. If you have big chunks or lots of them you might want to show your dealer.
Check engine casing for broken or loose threads (See step 25 for more info)
the sprocket cover (C/S
Sprocket Cover) while the engine is draining.
You'll need to push on the brake lever to get the lower bolt out.
Tip: You can use one of the smaller Allen wrenches to prop the right footpeg up so that you can get to the (lower) C/S cover bolt by just pressing down on the rear brake pedal. There is a hole visible when you lift the peg up and the wrench fits in it. Chris in Santa Cruz, CA
oil filter cover.
Make sure that your drain pan is shifted enough toward the right so that it will catch the oil that runs out from the filter cavity.
Pull the filter out.
Put the new filter in the cavity with the filter opening toward the motor.
Replace the cover.
Use the new O-ring, wetted with a dab of oil.
Torque the cover bolts to 10 Nm.
If for some reason you have an '05 or later GS and yo are looking at this FAQ,
NOTE! The '05 and maybe
later GS has ONE extra bolt. It is one of the connectors for Jump-Starting the
bike. Do NOT Torque this bolt to 10Nm! If you do, it will break, like this
Wipe up all oil that ran out of the filter cavity onto the motor.
Replace the sprocket cover.
It's plastic, so just tighten the bolts until snug.
Replace the sump plug, using a new sump plug crush washer if needed. If you go easy on the Torque, the Crush Washers should last a couple of Oil Changes.
The factory torque spec for the plug is 40 NM. HOWEVER, this amount of torque has been known to strip the drain hole, so some folks advise just tightening the plug until the washer starts to crush. You pays your money... There is a Sump Repair Kit (11 11 2 343 436) from BMW that runs about $150 USD to fix this problem, but the best thing is to avoid it happening in the first place. PLEASE Check The Sump Plug FAQ for more information. Either Snug Tighten it and Tie-wire it or add some RTV Silicone, or go to a maximum of 25Nm.
Replace the skidplate. It's plastic, so just tighten the bolts until snug.
Slowly pour about a quart and a half of oil into the frame. Any more and it'll run out on the floor...
Replace the dipstick. Note: Some people who buy the Service Kit get an O-ring left over they don't know what to do with. It's to replace the O-Ring on the Dipstick.!
Start the motor and run it for a minute or so, then shut
Make sure you have adequate ventilation. The oil pressure light will stay on for several seconds until the system primes itself.
Check for leaks on the plugs and filter cover.
Add the half quart of oil.
Start the motor and run it for a minute or so, then shut it off.
Check the oil level per the instructions in your owner's manual and add until it's at the proper level.
Now all you have to do is clean up and you can go for a ride. FWIW, some oil change companies recycle used oil or check with your local auto parts stores.
By Flash #412, October ‘01
Note: The newer F650GS dual sparks (2004-onwards) also use a dipstick to check the oil level. If you have an older single spark GS, check the GS Oil Change FAQ
Call me a dip-stick, but...
Someone noted the the advice given in this FAQ section is different from the BMW handbook. This FAQ states that oil should be just right when the dipstick is pushed in but not screwed in, the handbook says screwed in. Basically as long as (a) you do NOT overfill it and (b) there is a reading between mix & max, you're OK. ed
If you find the Frame Drain Bolt leaks oil after an Oil Change, don't be afraid to tighten it down onto the crush washer a little bit more. 10 Nm is the spec for 6mm steel bolts in aluminum, like ALL of the case bolts for instance. The frame is steel, the bolt is 8mm. NFW is the standard torque for an M8 bolt in steel (to a depth over twice it's diameter) 10 Nm. The bolt is about an INCH long. Try tightening it in 2Nm increments, up to say a maximum of 20Nm.
NOTE: The manual also notes you should clean the Frame-Tank Filter, which is located here. Note that MOST people have never found anything in this filter and as it is tricky to access (Not impossible but easier with the Tank Off ), you might consider leaving it until the 6000 or 12,000 mile services. A lot of people do!
The manual also notes you should clean the Frame-Tank Filter, which is located here. Note that MOST people have never found anything in this filter and as it is tricky to access (Not impossible but easier with the Tank Off ), so you might consider leaving it until the 6000 or 12,000 mile services. A lot of people do!
You have to remove the hose, and undo the Nut, to which is attached a Filter, located INSIDE the Frame. Use a Good 6 point 17mm Socket. Don't be lazy and try to use a Wrench or Spanner on the Nut without taking off the Hose. You'll just round off the corners of the Nut. That NUT can be easily rounded off and can be VERY hard to remove after that! It is HIGHLY recommended you use a Socket with NO Bevel Edge at the Front i.e. the 6 points of the socket starts immediately at the end of the socket, not after a Bevel front lip, which reduces the purchase on the Nut by the Bevel Depth. Just grind a socket flat.
When you undo the BMW clip to take the hose off, you will probably not be able to get it back on again (the clip), so have a new hose pipe clip ready.
The Torque Value is Unknown. Anyone with a Manual Please advise, ed? As long as the surfaces are true and clean the O-ring will do its job and it won't leak. The concern with tightness is only that it won't come loose.
Feedback on whether it is really needed:
Oil Screen in Tank: I have had mine out 4 or 5 times and find it useless each time. Steve #417
You'll likely never find anything in it, but if you do, that and the contents of your magnetic drain plug may be your first indicator of problems. It IS the intake for your high pressure oil pump, so if it ever does clog completely, you can count on permanent damage. If you think something has ever fallen into the oil tank - especially those of you who park on the street who have not made the plug tamper proof - that's where you'll find it. Inspect it every oil change? No Way! Inspect it never in 3 years and 25,000 miles? Bad idea. Somewhere in between when you have the tank off and the oil drained - then it's easy. Todd #389
I've checked it 80% of the time when changing oil and have not found anything worth reporting. tjs
The first time you clean the tank screen, get rid of the cheesy BMW hose clamp, use a 17mm deep socket to remove the screen, clean, replace. Use a regular hose clamp on the hose and point the screw down at the ground when tightening. That way, with a long screw driver, you will be able to remove the hose and filter in the future without having to remove body panels. mark #403
Typical Problem: Tonight had the Great Idea ...LOL to clean the Frame Tank Oil Filter ..... the one oil filter that no one ever thinks to clean with compressed air and is very hard to get to ... but I did take off the oil line to it and now I have a problem! I took off the oil line after draining the frame oil tank .... No Problem .... then I took a open end 17mm wrench and tried to go counter clockwise to loosen the drain plug with the filter at the base of the frame oil tank and no movement .... then a little heat to the outside with flame .... no movement ...... now the bolt is striped and vice-grips are no use. What can I do ??? Does this thing go clockwise or counter-clockwise .... Any good tricks to get this bolt free ? chas1969 '97 F650, Travel and Adventure.
How he solved it (last resort): After going to a couple hardware stores I found one with a long sharp chisel ..... and whaalaa the bolt moved with a couple good strikes. This over, now to order a new bolt/oil filter to replace this damaged sorry part. I think that it was placed with too much torque and time without loosening .... and the lack of a good 'bite' with soft metal .... a poor design/quality.
See above for how you should remove it.
Use a 6-point deep well socket, but it MAY be too late now (maybe you can still hammer it to fit over).
If it is stuck in place and does not leak, don't worry about it. The screen is only there to catch big pieces if your engine implodes. Otherwise you will take it off and there will be nothing to clean, leading to a lot of hassle for nothing. Richard #230
I would use a drill as last resort for the fact that you'll get metal in the oil tank. I would recommend soaking it with some penetrating oil starting a day or so ahead of this following procedure. When you soak it with the penetrating oil give it some taps with the hammer to help it penetrate. CAUTION: Keep in mind the part the filter plug-hose fitting is screwed into is welded to the frame. I just recently heard of a BMW mechanic (San Jose BMW) who had a case where the weld on this part failed (more than likely it was never good) and oil was leaking at this weld. Upon looking at my “classic” this morning to help come up with a solution for your problem I discovered the weld on mine is not fully tied-in (a welding term for a crappy weld) to the female part the filter plug/hose fitting screws into. It even has the look of a crack around the lower part but this may just be my imagination after have heard about this issue with the BMW mechanic. I’ll be looking very closely soon. It would be a real bummer to have this weld fail. Using a hammer carefully hit the filter plug-hose fitting (I assume you’ll be getting a new one at this point) strait on with some good sturdy blows. Not so hard as to damage the part you are screwed into on the frame. This may help to break the fitting loose. Then using a good sharp chisel (this is a tight spot so you may need a length that is just rite) you need to try and loosen up the plug with the chisel hitting in the direction of counterclockwise. Going back to hitting strait on and then again with the chisel numerous times should do it. I’ve had success with this many times on rusty nuts including very large sizes. The other thing is because you already have the hole in the middle you can put an easyout in the hole and try this BUT metal shavings may go into the tank so trying to use a magnet with the easyout. I personally like something called a nipple extractor rather then easyouts. They have very sharp edges (sort of like a tapered key for a keyway) and work better then the standard spiral easyouts. I believe they are bought at plumbing supply stores. The correct size is important. Be patient, use the penetrating oil letting it soak and doing the tapping thing to help it penetrate. This can pay off big time. Will in CA .
One other way to remove a stubborn bolt is to weld a rod to the head and use it like a long-handled wrench. SScratch.
by Don#301 et al., 28-Nov-01
For those of us that want the original oil filter without the high price :-) .
"Bombardier uses the Rotax engine in their SeaDoo line of personal watercraft also. I've been told that Rotax uses the same filter in a variety of different engines. If you have a Bombardier / SeaDoo marine dealer near by, you might want to talk to them. It might help if took in a new filter for your bike as a sample and asked them to eyeball match one from what they have in stock for a SeaDoo. Just tell them it is for a Bombardier/Rotax engine and let them figure it out.
Hint: The first one they should look at is Bombardier Part Number: 711256186" (Harold)
|Gaskets/seals/O-rings replacement||Oil filter||265-180||$5.00|
http://www.atkusa.com; from Pricing.
David H. Park #711
There is a metallic oil filter from Scott's
Performance. You can see this at:
http://www.scottsperformance.com/indexmain.html under Oil filters - off-road bikes - BMW.
I just changed my oil and inspected my SS filter for the first time as well as cleaned it after 5000 miles and two stints of 2500 each on oil. Really cool and easy to clean. The filter traps stuff from the outside in, so when cleaning flush it with pressure from the inside. I used a citrus degreaser and then forced water from the inside. I did this twice and then followed it with a quick spray of brake cleaner again from the inside out to displace the water. Be careful not to leave anything inside the filter as that stuff will go directly into the engine I think. I love not having to buy the kit from BMW! Chris in Santa Cruz, CA
Yes we are happier owners with happier bikes because of the SS kit! davidhpark711
Q. Can you buy the crush washers and necessary o-rings independent of the BMW filter? I have ordered a Scott's filter, but I presume that one still needs the crush washer and rings.
by Todd #389
Sure there's a breather for the oil tank. It's the small tube welded into the top left side of the frame oil tank, goes down into the top of the valve cover. The larger tube welded into the left side of the frame oil tank is the pressurized line that fills the tank. If you overfill the tank with oil after an oil change, the excess will very slowly drain down that vent line. I often put all 2.2 liters of my oil fill in the engine that way, without having to start the engine to fit in the last couple pints.
Q. Due to circumstances beyond my control, I was not able to complete the oil change on my 01GS. I got the tank drained. Was just about to drain the crank case, and that is when I had to stop. My question is, is it going to be bad to finish the oil change with the engine cold?
It will take longer to drain completely, as the oil is more viscous when cold. As the flow is slow, it will not carry as much "solids" with it as it leaves. Give it plenty of time to drain (overnight, at least an hour or two). What other options are there? Fill it up, then drain it again? Wouldn't hurt, but doubt you'd really gain much by all that extra work. I'd just finish the job, and do it "right" the next time (keeping in mind that HOT oil on your drain plug hand isn't the best choice, either). Marty #436-Chicago-97 F650F
HOT is to DRAIN the Oil, while it's nice and runny. (Lower viscosity). Just don't leave it so long as to get moisture in there and old oil can be acidic. Kristian#562 HK ex'96F, '00 GS
I'm finishing up the 10k service. One item in the manual is "Empty tube from crankcase," about which I can find nothing on the web, the FAQs, or the message board. I did find a stoppered tube from the air filter, which had some watery oil in it. Where is the 'tube from crankcase'?
This tube drains the airbox of any fluid that has collected there. You can find it below and behind the left foot peg. There are several drains there but the one you are looking for has a plug in the end. Steve#417(IN,USA).
I concur with Steve. I think the book's technical writer just had a hard night when he wrote that statement. Richard #230, Pacifica, CA
How much debris would you normally expect to find on the sump plug when changing oil? I have just changed the oil on my 4k miles 650gs and consider the metallic debris unusually high compared to say my CBR600. The debris is definitely swarf and nothing larger, just the amount surprised me when compared with other bikes I have owned. I guess that these motors don't need to be as tightly controlled at the build stage as say a 600cc four that your trying to get 120bhp from.
I would expect lots of swarf on the plug at the first oil
change. Was your oil changed at 600 miles? Is this 4k the first ever or first
after 600? In any case, I would expect the next one to have less crap on the
magnet. Flash #412
I would have more concern with the SIZE of the chips than the QUANTITY...especially since you are still wearing in that new motor. BIG pieces are usually bad news. Marty #436-Chicago-97 F650F
I changed my oil at 600 miles, then again at ~1500 miles. Almost no swarf on the plug at the second change. wicked94pgt, BBG#22 F650CS, Natick, MA
Some people like to disect and keep copies of the images of their oil filter disections and sump plug at each oil change. Why? Because this can help identify problems with your engine early on. If you have a good history of previous disections, and there is a sudden or unexpected increase in the volume of particles, then something may be wrong.
The method is quite simple:
This image of the Oil Drain Plug Swarf was taken from a GS with 5,000kms (3,000miles) on the clock.
This image of the Oil Filter Disection was taken from a GS with 10,000kms (6,000miles) on the clock. You should be able to see small silvery bits of varying size in the filter. Towards the center of the image you can see on slightly larger piece.
As at 8th Feb '02
In the next month or two I plan to be doing a bit of travel
in California so I checked to see what cost would be for oil and filter change
for my 99 F650. Some of the prices quoted were rather surprising and some
probably didn't include tax. At any rate I thought it might be of interest to
list the prices I received over the phone. Note the tild ~ means "about"---
which was indicated by the person I talked to. I selected these BMW dealers out
of the BMWMOA Anonymous Book. I use BMW oil.
Brown Motor Works-Pomona $~68
BMW Santa Cruz 83.99
Irv Seaver-Orange ~65
San Jose BMW 68
BMW of San Francisco 95
Fresno BMW 80
Modesto Cycle Specialities 67.34
Calif. BMW Mountain View 133
Riverside-Malcom Smith 70
San Diego-Brattin Motors 88.62
Ventura RPM Cycles 55
Marin BMW 81
Calif. BMW in Mountain View said that this price was what their computer screen said. Is it because they are in Silicon Valley that their price is so high?? The long and the short of it is I will remember to change my oil and filter just before I leave home. Bill No. 391 Las Vegas
Flash #412 & Richard #230
There are two oil pumps in the Rotax 650 engine. One is the normal pressure-feed pump to the main bearings. The other is called a "scavenging pump." It sucks the oil from the bottom of the sump through a screen and pushes it up into the oil tank.
The oil just sits in the oil tank until it is pumped out of the bottom of the tank and through the engine, gearbox and bearings. When the oil gets pushed out of the bearings, it flies around the inside of the engine for a while, until gravity pulls it down to the bottom of the engine and it falls into the sump (which has a capacity of about a quart). The oil is then pumped out of the sump by another pump (sort of like a well pump) and squirted back into the top of the oil tank. As you can see there is no way that overfilling the tank can affect the lubrication of the engine and this system is also quite resistant to a low oil level in the tank (compared with a wet sump engine), as everything will work fine as long as the oil intake line remains covered by oil.
The issue with wet sump motors (unlike the F650) is that the crank dips into the top of the pool of oil in the sump. It flings this oil around in a "controlled" fashion. If you overfill the sump, the crank dips too deeply into the pool and does the same thing your eggbeater does, whips air into the oil. This oil "foam" has very little lubricity or viscosity. Therefore it is hard for the oil pump to move the foam AND the foam does very little to actually lubricate the plain bearings. Very quickly the result is... engine salad.
See also the Sump Plug FAQ - Where is the Oil Pickup.
Q: How does the oil in the reservoir normally make its way to the crankcase? I ask because a novice (like me) would think when the drain-plug is removed from the crankcase, gravity would take over and empty the reservoir too! simpco1
A: I guess because we have two oil pumps, the oil can't flow backwards through the pump and out the drain plug. JC
Yes you can change the oil and not change the filter. Some people like to do this between each service because they feel the 10,000kms / 6,000miles interval is too long. So every 5,000kms / 3,000miles they change the oil, but not the filter. There is some evidence to show that such regular oil changes are not required on the F650. BMW recommends you change the oil AND filter every 10,000kms / 6,000miles.
To all first time oil changers, it is NOT as hard as it
For me it was a bit time consuming as I was very careful and
slow throughout the entire process. With the right tools, patience
and an eye for detail, changing your oil can be done effectively
yourself and allow you to get more familiar with your bike.
- Sean Mason