Classic Documentation Misc FAQ
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Last Updated: 10 June 2006, by Winter #1935
What Does the GS Stand for and Where on Earth does the name
"Funduro" come from?
G/S=Gelšnde (Terrain)/Strasse (Street). In 1986 that was changed to GS
(without slash)=Gelšnde+Sport. Funduro=Fun+Enduro (to a marketing
department Enduro, Moto-Cross and off-road riding on a standard bike are
all the same :-) by Pelle
How much does my F weigh?
You can find the BMW spec sheet at.
The specific link is:
You'll find the weight listed there. by DHP #711
Motorcycle Consumer News listed the wet weight as 430 lbs. James #523
Motorcyclist magazine's '01 GS weighed in at 416 pounds dry and 442
pounds with a full tank of gas. (From their July 2000 road test.).
What is normally covered by the BMW Warranty?
This is always up to dealer and BMW but normally the following items
are not covered unless failure is proven to because of bad part to start
with. There are always exceptions. As a rule if it is a normal wear item
it is not covered. I don't make BMW policy I just know what I see
- Brakes, pads and rotors
Standard Service Costs at BMW
600 Mile Service
OK, So What's involved? Not Much:
Classic is Similar to GS, Without the FI (Motronic), Fuel Filter & ABS Checks.
BMW USED to do the Valve Check at this Service on Classics and EARLY GS's.
Schedule (Note the Valve Check item in this Service has been specifically
Removed by BMW)
I cannot for the life
of me figure out why the 600 mile service on my F650GS is so expensive. I'm
getting quotes between $320 and $350 (Northern California). Is this initial
service not simply a glorified oil change and once-over of the bike? I'm looking
at other places to take my business. Does anyone have thoughts on the
ramifications this may have on my warranty? Should the mechanic I choose have
'factory authorization'? Does he or she have to be factory authorized? '03
F650GS, San Francisco
- I paid $300 for the 600 mile servicing of my F650 in 1997 and
$350 for the 6000 mile servicing a year later, at my friendly Bay Area BMW
dealer. Now that my bike is out of warranty I do my own servicing. When my
F650 Classic had its 600-mile service done in 1997, the shop adjusted the
valves. I watched them do it to make sure that I got my $300 worth. The
valves have not needed shims since then. When I took my R1150R in for its
600-mile service (which BTW, was about $100 less expensive than for the
F650), my dealer found that the factory had installed my rear tire
backwards. That is what the 600-mile service is for, correcting factory
assembly errors. Richard #230
- It seems that based on Richard's comments, the service cost hasn't
been affected by inflation....in 1997 dollars it's almost free! Greg
#1245 SEVa '02 F650GSA, Norfolk, VA.
- Is this initial service not simply a glorified oil change and
once-over of the bike? Pretty much, plus a valve lash check, and
adjustment if it needs it. Flash 412 (CO)
- There is no valve check at the 600 mile service (GS). It's not due
until the 6000 mile service per maintenance manual. The sad thing is I
paid over 300 bucks WITHOUT the valve adjustment. Uggh. Razz, '03 black
- BMW flatrate books calls for 3 hours to do a 600 miles service on
this bike. Then you will have an oil filter and oil. Should be easy to
compute. The flatrate chart I have is a bit old and I am sure the price
includes checking valve clearances. BMW has removed the requirement for a
valve adjust until 6000 miles so the flat rate time should be a bit less.
I would ask what you are getting for this fee and what the shop rate is.
If the shop rates is around $80 sounds about right to me. F650GS Dakar,
Oregon. Steve 1130 Or
- When I took my bike in for the 600 mile service (I agree with
Greg from VA that it's the most important one for the techs at BMW to do,
despite the horrific cost), they did do a valve check. Or I should say I
inquired as to if they did it, (my bike being a 2002), and they informed
me that yes they did. However, they charge an extra 80 bucks to check, and
who knows how much to replace any shims that may need to be replaced. In
other words, I guess it's an optional thing at the shop I used. I
personally think a 600-mile valve check is probably a pretty good idea.
Just to make sure nothing broke during the breakin. Just my $.02, worth
what you paid for 'em I'm sure. Seacuke, #1214, F650GS, California,
East of the Bay Area.
- How about if you do your own oil change, remove the body panels,
and then let them check it over. Buy the oil and filter from the dealer
and save your receipt. Save you the labor for the oil and removing and
replacing panels. glennbtw Glenn, '01 F650GS, '99 K1200LT, California
- " and who knows how much to replace any shims that may need
to be replaced. ." I've never been charged for shims. Up until now
I've always let the factory guys do my valves and they keep the old shims
and toss them back in the bins for next time. "How about if you do
your own oil change, remove the body panels, and then let them check it
over. Buy the oil and filter from the dealer and save your receipt. Save
you the labor for the oil and removing and replacing panels. " This
may or may not work, it's up to the dealer and your tech. Most techs,
especially the good ones, get paid according to the flat rate. Which means
(if you understand this, I apologise) he gets a cut of the $300 (or
whatever) as does the dealer, lets say 50/50%. This means if he can do
your service in 1 hour, he makes $150/hr, if it takes him three hours, he
makes $50/hr. So he may not want to do all the complicated, time consuming
stuff and forego the cake stuff. A good tech can change the oil on 2 or 3
bikes at once and remove the bodywork from another while they drain
($450/hr). Another issue could be the dealer stamp. I personally think
it's an important commodity, especially come resale time, and some dealers
might not want to put their stamp on your book (and thereby assume
responsibility) for work they haven't done. All that said, I have exactly
such a deal worked out with both my BMW guy and my Triumph guy. I do the
stuff I can (or want to) and have them do the rest. I fill out the (my
own) paperwork on the stuff I do and they fill out the stuff they do. I
also pay them .5 hour to check my work and they feel fine about stamping
my service history. When I have them do some non-routine maintenance I
find particularly heinous (like spline lube on the K) , I usually pay full
boat AND buy them lunch. Works well for me, and I've learned a lot along
the way. Now that both bikes are out of warranty and I have a full time
spot where I can work on my bikes, I intend to do more of the work myself.
David #476, '99 F650.
- The labor rate for authorized BMW dealers is around $90 an hour
in the SF Bay Area. Even the Japanese dealers here are not far behind. I
hear that a sharp technician that knows how to use the
"flat-rate" system to his advantage, can make around $80,000 a
year, excluding benefits. Richard #230
- My bike goes in for it's 600 mile service on Thursday. My dealer
quoted me $170.00 including parts. Their labor rate is $57.00 per hour.
600 mile service completed today. $167.20. stuflinn 2003 GSA,
How long can I leave the 600 Mile Service?
I have searched the FAQs and forums but have not found an answer to
this question. Here I go showing my lack of mechanical knowledge AGAIN. My
GS is due for the 600 mi service, but when I called to schedule an appt.
there were no openings for 2 weeks. So my question is how far it is
advisable to go over 600mi. Does it matter? Am I just paranoid? Any
comments would be appreciated!! THANKS!! Black '03 650GSA, Southern
Indiana, CG #1337.
- I wouldn't worry about putting a couple hundred miles over 600 on
the bike before you drop it in for servicing. As long as everything is
running great, that is. I took mine in with 785 miles on it I believe.
Seacuke, #1214, F650GS, California, East of the Bay Area.
- My GSA also had something like 700-800 on it when I got in to the
shop. I 'personally' think the point of the 600 mile is to 1. check the
valve clearances and 2. for the shop to make sure they put your bike
together right by checking tightness on everything. Docc- docc Austin,
TX, '02 GSA Black, Inmate 1249.
- I had 850; Svc. Mgr. said "no problem..., no affect on
warranty". Art 884
- "1. check the valve clearances and 2. for the shop to make
sure they put your bike together right by checking tightness on
everything" And also get the oil (full of metal shavings) out of the
engine. David #476, '99 F650.
- The big thing is getting the oil changed. The first oil is thinner
that normal. If you change the oil yourself go do it. I am told that the
600 mile service is one of the most important checks though. Don't let it
go too long. Bryan Cady, #1157, 02' GS, Lawrenceville, GA.
- I took my CD into the dealer with 800+ miles on it for its 600
mile service. I checked with them, and they recommended not to rev it high
until after the service, but that I could continue to ride normally with
no ill effects. So I did, and no problems have arisen in the first 4000
miles. Ratcliffe Derek -- Leicester, UK -- F650 CS Scarver '01 -- Dare
to be Different!
- My dealer said anything up to 800miles for first service is fine
(but my dealer is a piece of Turd). Andrew C (UK).
For the 6000 Mile, 12000 Mile, Annual Services
- Just picked up bike from 6000 mile service. labor charge was $320
plus parts. andrewkoller
Can BMW void my warranty if I choose to have work done elsewhere and
can document it?
- Now that my bike is out of warranty I do my own servicing.
- My personal policy is to hold my nose and let the dealer service
my bike, car, whatever to absolutely avoid any problems with a warranty
claim. I keep careful log books (yea, I'm anal) for all my vehicles, just
to back up any disagreements (the BMW owners manual has the area in the
back for dealer stamps, etc.). You can certainly do it yourself (ask
Seacuke) or have someone other than BMW do the servicing, but I wouldn't
want to be in that "discussion" if you have problems. The 600 mi
is the one that could be argued is the most important since they're
supposed to go over everything, including checking the FI programming,
spoke tightness, etc. After that period, I do it myself or find an
qualified outside service person. My $0.02 US (or maybe my $350), Greg
#1245 SEVa '02 F650GSA, Norfolk, VA.
- I'm looking at other places to take my business. Does anyone have
thoughts on the ramifications this may have on my warranty? Should the
mechanic I choose have 'factory authorization'? Does he or she have to be
factory authorized? Can BMW void my warranty if I choose to have work done
elsewhere and can document it? In the USA, they cannot void your warranty
if you can document that you have purchased the materials to do the work
and/or paid to have it done by someone else. Bag of sphincters that BMW
has become, should you need to make a warranty claim, they will likely
MAKE you PROVE that you either did the maintenance or had it done before
they pony up their re$pon$ibilitie$. Flash 412 (CO)
- Remember that it is not just the factory training, but also the
factory diagnostic tool and equip that you are paying for. Now that the
valves are not inspected until the 6,000 mile service, I do the 600 oil
and filter myself. I can check the bike over for loose spokes and adjust a
chain or check the battery. I will have the 6,000 done at a dealer and
then I will do the work and document my parts purchases from then on. We
have two Fs on warranty and I do not want to pay $350 every time one of
them hits a mileage that requires a dealer service. If BMW has decided to
increase the mileage interval for servicing the valves, I will follow that
and let the 3 year warranty take care of any valve problems that may arise
before 6,000 miles. FWIW :-) Bert Chaingang Member #1131 -- 02 F650GS,
(Wife's) -- 03 F650 Dakar.
- My Triumph workshop manual came with a handy bit of paperwork to
note clearances, shim sizes etc during a clearance check-adjust and the
routine maintenance during a 6K service. During a factory service, the
mechanic is supposed to fill this paper out and I've always asked for a
copy "for my records". My feeling is that a clearance check
could be overlooked/overcharged between the service dept and the cashier,
but I wouldn't trust a tech who I feel would possibly falsify the
paperwork for a buck to work on my bike. For me the paperwork is just an
insurance policy making sure the work gets done. Perhaps you could whip
up a spreadsheet (or use Flash's maintenance log in the FAQs) and do the
same with your bike. David #476, '99 F650
Does anyone know how to decode the VIN?
Take a look at
- Interesting. I mistakingly put in the last seven digits of my
TITLE number and it came up with a 1988 BMW 318i telling me I had a/c,
etc. Then, when I applied my correct VIN numbers, it tells me in capital
letters....Catalyzer NONE. Now I wonder. Ike647 (It's a US model)